Queens Fish Bar 10:48 Tue Jul 24
Cross Rail £600m over budget
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So far......
tax payer getting hammered.
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gph
6:18 Fri Jul 27
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I know you're cross, but don't rail so bitterly...
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Gavros
4:48 Fri Jul 27
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Theyre looking to do that for CR2. Lot of people in places like Forest Gate, Manor Park etc made a lot thanks to this.
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ray winstone
4:45 Fri Jul 27
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Maybe all those who live in Shenfield who’s house prices have rocketed as a result of Crossrail should pay up for the shortfall.
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Exiled In Surrey
3:01 Fri Jul 27
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The government doesn't mind. Its more public money going into the private sector.
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RM10
2:58 Thu Jul 26
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the tideway tunnel will also cost an extra packet
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Westham67
12:55 Thu Jul 26
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Lots a variables in construction materials as well,
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DaveT
12:21 Thu Jul 26
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Comma,
A lot of the time it is down to the business analyst not getting all the information. They don't use common sense when asking questions that's if they ask any at all. Number of times I developed stuff and then later when talking to the user found out they had hardly been asked any questions on what they want. The BA had one meeting, handed over a document and then only talked to the user again when project had been developed usually months later
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Willtell
10:20 Thu Jul 26
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Any major project managed by people not answerable to a capitalist boss will invariably over-run on costs.
The athletics bowl is another example of why management by social or government committee is always a bad way to run any business venture.
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Gavros
9:13 Thu Jul 26
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FT this morning on HS2 cost overruns
https://www.ft.com/content/a32dda78-8c01-11e8-bf9e-8771d5404543?segmentId=080b04f5-af92-ae6f-0513-095d44fb3577
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,
4:47 Wed Jul 25
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In the UK it seems to be the case that major IT projects fail their three key requirements and end up late, over budget and without full specified functionality.
I lost count of the number of times we had to change our work practices to suit the bodged up, partially installed, IT system instead of the new system being compatible with what existed as specified.
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muskie
3:46 Wed Jul 25
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Resident lefties, Queens and Gavros.
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balders
3:38 Wed Jul 25
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When you bid for these tenders you bid just to comply to the requirements because the contracts always shit
Then in the 28day post signing you put in all the variations you know that are required which adds around another 15 to 20% normally
It how every signaling company works now
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Gavros
12:59 Wed Jul 25
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The Tories squeezed the projects budget by a couple of billion in 2015. So this is basically the contractors not quite meeting the new budget.
theres some great pics and videos of it here.
https://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=871486&page=124
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
12:54 Wed Jul 25
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Here's an example of what happens:
Customer - refurbish all the bogs
Contractor - sure, that's £x
Customer - done
Three months later:
Customer - obviously, these bogs will have wheelchair access, right?
Contractor - No. You never asked for wheelchair access
Customer - but everyone has wheelchair access these days - we've got to have it
Contractor - well, that's another £x, then.
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Mike Oxsaw
12:27 Wed Jul 25
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You also get people with no understanding of costs & timescales/work involved making promises about these to earn themselves brownie points, who then fuck off before the shit hits the fan and do exactly the same at another project, fully believing that they'e "managing".
Then you get customers who haven't really got a clue what they want, as long as it's got shit-loads of bells, whistles & even more flashing fucking lights on the front.
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Gavros
12:09 Wed Jul 25
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there's always going to be issues on such a massive project. apparently the trains have a problem with the door mechanism.
anyway as said this i a fairly conservative project compared to HS2 and Crossrail 2, which is looking like a dog's dinner already with a budget twice that of Crossrail 1 and not half as useful.
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Westham67
11:35 Wed Jul 25
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Mainly delays costing money in manpower an machinery
Land acquisition can also up a project when the wont sell up
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
10:18 Wed Jul 25
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Far Cough 10:14 Wed Jul 25
That's true, mate. But there is also inevitably spec creep.
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fraser
10:15 Wed Jul 25
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What difference what they originally budget it. It costs what it costs, surely some factors are unforeseen so can't be budgeted for.
More to the point why do you care?
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Far Cough
10:14 Wed Jul 25
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Don't they tender it out for bids and then they bid low to win the project tender, then of course you will have budget over run
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Rossal
10:10 Wed Jul 25
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Fair enough 67 but as i say below.....why dont they budget for far more?
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